On Earth: Three Dimensional Celestials

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This thread is for discussing the effects of Earth on Celestials and those Celestial children who are Three Dimensional Celestials.

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Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:27 am

EJ Angel wrote:

Matt writes:
“With all the Celestial's knowledge of cellular structure, DNA, and advanced medical knowledge, do they simply abandon their 3D children on earth? "


The Celestials do not abandon their 3D children on Earth. In "Immortal Dreaming: Pholus," Pholus is writing to his 3D son, a relationship explored in the novel Pholus: Moral Obligationforthcoming in 2010.


EJ

[Cris]

Thank you to *everyone* who contributed to the discussion of 3D Celestials on Earth and the repercussions of 3D Celestials on Celestial society as a whole. This thread has been scrubbed because much of what was covered here before will be included in the novel Pholus: Moral Obligation which will be published later this year.

The updated Sourcebook, available in March 2010, will have this information about 3D Celestials:

The most devastating consequence of long-term deployment on Earth manifested in 1947 AD when the first 3D child was born to a Celestial couple. It was seen as a random, isolated event. By the end of the the Twentieth Century, 3D Celestial children were commonplace. And Celestials who became pregnant on Earth but who gave birth on Hom delivered stillborn children.

Three dimensional Celestial children have none of their parents’ fourth dimensional attributes. They lack Celestial species memory and are unable to communicate telepathically. Some three dimensional children manifest Skills, but just as often, they do not. Any child conceived on Earth can never live on Hom for several reason. First, they cannot travel through a Portal or a Warp; second, the fourth dimension is the most important dimension for Celestials (just as our third dimension is our most important dimension) and finally, they would be unable to communicate with over ninety-nine percent of the population.

Three dimensional Celestials cannot enter any four dimensional space, including Outposts and matiques. Because of this, the Council on Hom assigned certain Celestials with extensive knowledge of Humans and Earth to act as intermediaries and locate Humans who were willing to foster 3D children. These Humans came to be known as Caretakers.

Celestial soldiers in active rotation on Earth could use any reponere (“shore leave”) or any time between the evening Neutral Hour and dawn to visit their children. A Celestial with a 3D child would have to make additional changes to his or her natural state of being which include learning to speak out loud, articulate thoughts and feelings with words rather than glyphs and use touch more freely.

Three dimensional Celestials have extremely limited access to Forms. Their True Form is the Human form. It does not change. They are unable to manifest Ornate Form, but they are drawn to elaborate costuming and clothing including jewelry, headgear and other ornamentation. Both men and women would be inclined to dress in fine clothing—not street punk—and be very particular about their appearance. They cannot manifest Intimate Form aside from the change in their eyes which occurs when they are extremely frightened, aroused or close to death. Other than at these times, their eyes look like Human eyes.

While they cannot Morph or Summon, they do have an uncanny ability to mimic a wide variety of sounds including voices, animal sounds and environmental noises. Three dimensional Celestials mature as Humans do, but have a lifespan of about 100 years.

To better understand how a three dimensional Celestial would appear to his or her four dimensional parents, consider how autistic children interact with non-autistic children and adults. The way autistic children process information, communicate with others and perceive their world is markedly different. The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time by Mark Haddon is narrated by a fifteen-year-old boy with Asperger Syndrome. This novel would be helpful to anyone interested in writing about these Celestials.

Cris

[Launa]

Thank you so much for this information, Cris! Very helpful. I love the fact about 3D Celestials being able to mimic sounds.

[Launa]

I have been thinking about this topic for a while and have a question. I read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time (Really amazing book, btw. Thank you so much for recommending it, Cris. As a nanny to autistic children, it really helped me fine tune the way I act and speak.) and it helped me understand 3D Celestial to 4D Celestial interaction much more. Just understanding how intensely and emotionally overwhelmed a 3D Celestial would be in the presence of his/her 4D family sheds brand new light on the subject for me.

But my question is, how would a 3D Celestial interact in the world among humans? Would they still show signs similar to those in the autistic spectrum, or would they fit right in? Would they be seen as extremely empathetic (since they might have an extreme ability to lock into another 3D creature's emotional state) or very intelligent? How does their Celestial heritage affect their emotional or mental states from a human's perspective? Or how might this change depending on where they fall in the 3D spectrum?

[EJ]

Cris, I would love to hear your take on this but my brief thoughts would be that a 3D Celestial wouldn't interact with Humans like an autistic individual but rather more or less pretty darn standard, run of the mill Human.

Except...

I think their genes (damaged as they are) would make them naturally more empathic (toward all living things -- Humans, plants, animals) and most likely give them a high IQ. I add this last thing in because I know in the forthcoming MG3K RPG, that if you build a Celestial character you automatically get a +2 Intelligence mod (+2 Faith for Terrapyres, and +2 Charisma for Human).

Just my small thoughts.

EJ

[Cris]

Mar 12, 2010 7:27:21 GMT -8 Launa said:

it helped me understand 3D Celestial to 4D Celestial interaction much more. Just understanding how intensely and emotionally overwhelmed a 3D Celestial would be in the presence of his/her 4D family sheds brand new light on the subject for me.

But my question is, how would a 3D Celestial interact in the world among humans? Would they still show signs similar to those in the autistic spectrum, or would they fit right in? Would they be seen as extremely empathetic (since they might have an extreme ability to lock into another 3D creature's emotional state) or very intelligent? How does their Celestial heritage affect their emotional or mental states from a human's perspective? Or how might this change depending on where they fall in the 3D spectrum?

Before we get to the question about Humans, let's address a 3D Celestial in the presence of 4D Celestials. A high-functioning autistic person isn't "overwhelmed" in regular company. Rather he or she is more likely to be into his or her own thing. For example, I heard an interview with Temple Gradin in which she talked about being distracted by the sound meter rising and falling behind the host's head. This is something that most of us might notice, but dismiss. She isn''t overwhelmed, but distracted by, things that non-autistic people don't really notice.

My feeling is that 3D Celestials' behavior would parallel this. They might be distracted by the emotional glyphs they could see, but not overwhelmed.

Additionally, they might, as happens with autistic people, misread emotional clues the same way my son misreads my expression or sometimes my body language.

We've portrayed 3D Celestials as "missing" a component that would allow them to return to Hom. In terms of their interactions with Humans they would seem Human. I agree with E.J. here. They'd be pretty unremarkable to Humans.

The half-mask is gone, btw, just in case anyone is still wondering.

As an aside, Launa, "Human" should be capitalized in your posts if you are referring to Humans in the MG3K Universe.

[Cris]

Mar 14, 2010 4:33:21 GMT -8 EJ said:

Cris, I would love to hear your take on this but my brief thoughts would be that a 3D Celestial wouldn't interact with Humans like an autistic individual but rather more or less pretty darn standard, run of the mill Human.

Except...

I think their genes (damaged as they are) would make them naturally more empathic (toward all living things -- Humans, plants, animals) and most likely give them a high IQ. I add this last thing in because I know in the forthcoming MG3K RPG, that if you build a Celestial character you automatically get a +2 Intelligence mod (+2 Faith for Terrapyres, and +2 Charisma for Human).

Just my small thoughts.

EJ

EJ, this is my feeling exactly. I think that there could well be a high empathy factor, but that could vary from individual to individual. The high IQ, though, would make sense. It has so much to do with the way the brain is "hard wired" in a sense. That incredible intelligence, the spark of brilliance. It's just the most amazing experience to watch that spark ignite.

Great to see you on the boards EJ. Nice shout-out to the RPG, too, Jenn's working hard on it.

Cris

[Launa]

Thank you for the correction, Cris.

[Cris]

Happy to help.

[Luz]

Yes, Cris, thank you. Only you have all the best sourcebook knowledge right now! Who is lucky to lay it out?

[Cris]

Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:17 pm Cris wrote:

It is possible for a Terrapyre and a 3D Celestial to have children. The child would be born Terrapyre (infintessimally small possibility of the child being Celestial). Would that child awaken?

Thoughts?

What are the genetic possibilities of this?


Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:05 pm AreaneCreator wrote:

I believe the child would. I remember EJ once saying that a Terrapyre is a Terrapyre is a Terrapyre. If the child is Terrapyre, he or she will awaken. If the child doesn't, then the child is Human. There's no in between. At least that's what I remember.

Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:36 pm JenDiMarco wrote:

Yes, now that you mention it, Launa, I remember that conversation here on the forum as well. The idea that there's no such thing as "half Terrapyre." So, Cris? Your answer would be yes. They do awaken. Just as every other Terrapyre. They would follow all the normal Terrapyre rules.

Could that very, very rare Celestial child be a "full" Celestial? A 4D Celestial, not a 3D Celestial?