Post by Cris on Apr 25, 2010 22:47:49 GMT -8
March 18, 2010 Olivia wrote:
The focus in the Mardi Gras universe is understandably focused on Prime Time to consolidate authors and content, but the Celestials have been on Earth for a great many years by PT. My concern, that I have brought to Summer many times, is would Celestials be as strict with each other and themselves in terms of military law after such a length of years and no success at stopping the Grail?
One possible solution to this quandary would be to introduce the idea that if the Grail is claimed (not harnessed, and I do hope I am using the lexicon correctly here) by the energy of a Celestial (as opposed to by the genetic signature of a Terrapyre), even if that Celestial cannot harness the Grail, the Grail responses to this prolonged and focused, in-depth contact by avoiding Hom, which has a concentration of these same signatures.
In simpler terms: Every time a Celestial claimed the Grail and tried to harness it to destroy it, the Grail would be scared enough to not drop on Hom for a longer-than standard length of time.
I understand that all things in the Mardi Gras universe must be equal and so I propose this balance in addition:
Every time a Terrapyre claims the Grail, focuses intently on redemption, but is still unable to harness the Grail, this intensity results in more kittens being born.
March 18, 2010 Launa wrote:
Olivia,
I think this is a great idea. By Prime Time the Celestials would have been on Earth for more than a thousand years. It would make sense that, without some reason to continue pursuing the Grail as they did in the 12th century, tactics would be drastically different between the start of the war and Prime Time. I think your solution balances things realistically. As an author working both in Prime Time and the first years of the Grail's presence on Hom, you've given me a lot to think about. Thank you!
P.S. I know it has been said by someone else on another thread... but after all my years of smack talking Terrapyres with little back up... kittens? ROFL! Where have you been all my MG3K life?
March 19, 2010 Cris wrote:
The focus in the Mardi Gras universe is understandably focused on Prime Time to consolidate authors and content, but the Celestials have been on Earth for a great many years by PT. My concern, that I have brought to Summer many times, is would Celestials be as strict with each other and themselves in terms of military law after such a length of years and no success at stopping the Grail?
One possible solution to this quandary would be to introduce the idea that if the Grail is claimed (not harnessed, and I do hope I am using the lexicon correctly here) by the energy of a Celestial (as opposed to by the genetic signature of a Terrapyre), even if that Celestial cannot harness the Grail, the Grail responses to this prolonged and focused, in-depth contact by avoiding Hom, which has a concentration of these same signatures.
In simpler terms: Every time a Celestial claimed the Grail and tried to harness it to destroy it, the Grail would be scared enough to not drop on Hom for a longer-than standard length of time.
I understand that all things in the Mardi Gras universe must be equal and so I propose this balance in addition:
Every time a Terrapyre claims the Grail, focuses intently on redemption, but is still unable to harness the Grail, this intensity results in more kittens being born.
This is simply brilliant. Olivia, truly.
My official opinion is this:
I think that a struggle that goes on for so darn long without any kind of benefit to the Celestials is more than a little problematic. There has to be some immediate reward here for them otherwise they'd all go AWOL. They are a bright and independent people. Also, they probably would have abandoned Hom eons ago--because well, they can.
So, one of the things we need to establish is what makes Hom so great? It has to be better than any number of thousands of worlds they've visited and could possibly colonize.
As it stands now, the Grail Drops on Hom once a year. This obviously is not often enough. What if it Dropped once a week or once a month? This would speed up the timeline initially in terms of the Celestials getting together, Council forming, etc. but since it wouldn't change the outcome ( Council forms, etc) I don't see a problem here.
So, let's figure out...
Every time a Celestials captures the Grail, the Grail "shies away" from Hom for how long?
Finally, in the spirit of fairness, the kitten exchange seems perfectly balanced to me. So unless there are any objections, failure to harness the Grail will, from now on, result in more kittens being born. Okay. Okay. Only tiger striped kittens. But that's all the leeway I'm comfortable with.
Cris
March 24, 2010 Alyson wrote:
Cris, I know that in "Together Alone" the two Celestials travel all over the place. But what if, over time, Celestials on other worlds lose their ability to do Celestial stuff -- like sense and see the fourth dimension, morph, summon (or whatever it's called), and the like. Like Earth is super rare in that it seems okay to them -- except that it reduces them to three dimensions, stops them from moving as freely and truly, limits their prime strength to daylight hours, and, you know, messes up their babies. But other worlds dramatically effect Celestial so much so that they could never live there for longer than about a year (like in "Together Alone").
How often does the Grail drop on Hom now? I think I'd need to know that before I can suggest how much leeway an attempted harness would earn.
Aly
March 27, 2010 Olivia wrote:
We are basically looking at 350 years of escalating struggle as these poor, brilliant creatures try to study and unravel this mystery in a semi-hostile environment while trying to stay somewhat covert. Then a sharp spike in panic when their mission of science is violent interrupted in 1450.
Before I reflect more on this and how we can help Summer and shed like on the strict or lenient nature of the Council and whatever organized physical force they have running the missions to Earth, I find I need to ask, when is the Grail first claimed by a Celestial? How many times is it claimed before 1450? Ever?
Olivia
The focus in the Mardi Gras universe is understandably focused on Prime Time to consolidate authors and content, but the Celestials have been on Earth for a great many years by PT. My concern, that I have brought to Summer many times, is would Celestials be as strict with each other and themselves in terms of military law after such a length of years and no success at stopping the Grail?
One possible solution to this quandary would be to introduce the idea that if the Grail is claimed (not harnessed, and I do hope I am using the lexicon correctly here) by the energy of a Celestial (as opposed to by the genetic signature of a Terrapyre), even if that Celestial cannot harness the Grail, the Grail responses to this prolonged and focused, in-depth contact by avoiding Hom, which has a concentration of these same signatures.
In simpler terms: Every time a Celestial claimed the Grail and tried to harness it to destroy it, the Grail would be scared enough to not drop on Hom for a longer-than standard length of time.
I understand that all things in the Mardi Gras universe must be equal and so I propose this balance in addition:
Every time a Terrapyre claims the Grail, focuses intently on redemption, but is still unable to harness the Grail, this intensity results in more kittens being born.
March 18, 2010 Launa wrote:
Olivia,
I think this is a great idea. By Prime Time the Celestials would have been on Earth for more than a thousand years. It would make sense that, without some reason to continue pursuing the Grail as they did in the 12th century, tactics would be drastically different between the start of the war and Prime Time. I think your solution balances things realistically. As an author working both in Prime Time and the first years of the Grail's presence on Hom, you've given me a lot to think about. Thank you!
P.S. I know it has been said by someone else on another thread... but after all my years of smack talking Terrapyres with little back up... kittens? ROFL! Where have you been all my MG3K life?
March 19, 2010 Cris wrote:
One possible solution to this quandary would be to introduce the idea that if the Grail is claimed (not harnessed, and I do hope I am using the lexicon correctly here) by the energy of a Celestial (as opposed to by the genetic signature of a Terrapyre), even if that Celestial cannot harness the Grail, the Grail responses to this prolonged and focused, in-depth contact by avoiding Hom, which has a concentration of these same signatures.
In simpler terms: Every time a Celestial claimed the Grail and tried to harness it to destroy it, the Grail would be scared enough to not drop on Hom for a longer-than standard length of time.
I understand that all things in the Mardi Gras universe must be equal and so I propose this balance in addition:
Every time a Terrapyre claims the Grail, focuses intently on redemption, but is still unable to harness the Grail, this intensity results in more kittens being born.
This is simply brilliant. Olivia, truly.
My official opinion is this:
I think that a struggle that goes on for so darn long without any kind of benefit to the Celestials is more than a little problematic. There has to be some immediate reward here for them otherwise they'd all go AWOL. They are a bright and independent people. Also, they probably would have abandoned Hom eons ago--because well, they can.
So, one of the things we need to establish is what makes Hom so great? It has to be better than any number of thousands of worlds they've visited and could possibly colonize.
As it stands now, the Grail Drops on Hom once a year. This obviously is not often enough. What if it Dropped once a week or once a month? This would speed up the timeline initially in terms of the Celestials getting together, Council forming, etc. but since it wouldn't change the outcome ( Council forms, etc) I don't see a problem here.
So, let's figure out...
Every time a Celestials captures the Grail, the Grail "shies away" from Hom for how long?
Finally, in the spirit of fairness, the kitten exchange seems perfectly balanced to me. So unless there are any objections, failure to harness the Grail will, from now on, result in more kittens being born. Okay. Okay. Only tiger striped kittens. But that's all the leeway I'm comfortable with.
Cris
March 24, 2010 Alyson wrote:
Cris, I know that in "Together Alone" the two Celestials travel all over the place. But what if, over time, Celestials on other worlds lose their ability to do Celestial stuff -- like sense and see the fourth dimension, morph, summon (or whatever it's called), and the like. Like Earth is super rare in that it seems okay to them -- except that it reduces them to three dimensions, stops them from moving as freely and truly, limits their prime strength to daylight hours, and, you know, messes up their babies. But other worlds dramatically effect Celestial so much so that they could never live there for longer than about a year (like in "Together Alone").
How often does the Grail drop on Hom now? I think I'd need to know that before I can suggest how much leeway an attempted harness would earn.
Aly
March 27, 2010 Olivia wrote:
We are basically looking at 350 years of escalating struggle as these poor, brilliant creatures try to study and unravel this mystery in a semi-hostile environment while trying to stay somewhat covert. Then a sharp spike in panic when their mission of science is violent interrupted in 1450.
Before I reflect more on this and how we can help Summer and shed like on the strict or lenient nature of the Council and whatever organized physical force they have running the missions to Earth, I find I need to ask, when is the Grail first claimed by a Celestial? How many times is it claimed before 1450? Ever?
Olivia
